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'68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« on: July 08, 2008, 09:09:14 PM »
Hey guys,

I'm wondering if the experts could give some pointers on building a '68 Barracuda Super Stock clone.  Totally to MI specs, of course.


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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 08:12:40 AM »
Which MI spec??  There is a D400 spec that is close to what I consider "Super Stock", and there is the B700 spec that allows a bit more leeway but has tire restrictions?  The 'Cuda is decent in both classes but the build strategy is very different.  I like the full aero, grip builds myself.  Taking on the masses in a grip built Muscle Car is a thrill.

JEi, has a C550 Barracuda build and so does Spanky's Speedshop (in my C-class hotlapping thread).  That may help get you on your way.
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 03:27:09 PM »



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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 03:46:46 PM »
Goodness...  That's intense.  how does it handle the twists?

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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 04:09:38 PM »
Ever driven a stock 427 Cobra with no assists?
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 07:28:26 PM »
Ever driven a stock 427 Cobra with no assists?

OK, you HAVE been gone a while....lol...Spiny and someone else (Fit?) went back and forth on that spec race quite a while.
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 04:04:56 AM »
Yes, it was Fit who ran it as well. I think we both managed to get top 10 at Maple Valley at the time, although no doubt we've both dropped out now. It's a little annoying because to check on the board I'd need to strip off all the parts on the Cobra, and it's going pretty well at the moment. :)
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 05:53:20 AM »
What a great paint job Hoppy!  Simple yet affective.  :)

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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 06:56:37 AM »
Yes, it was Fit who ran it as well. I think we both managed to get top 10 at Maple Valley at the time, although no doubt we've both dropped out now. It's a little annoying because to check on the board I'd need to strip off all the parts on the Cobra, and it's going pretty well at the moment. :)

Yeah, you guys need to hit it again. Fit is currently 31 and Spiny is 62.

Still very impressive, though.

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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 04:50:13 PM »
The 'Big Fish', after well chosen modifications to default transmission, suspension, alignment and differential settings, is one of the easiest A Class 'Outlaw' types to drive. The advantage it has over some other muscle cars is the ability to add both a rear wing and a rear bumper to hold down the rear end. I skipped the front bumper, after much experimentation, because I find that the addition of one destabilizes the car at the tremendous speeds it reaches in straight sections of track.

The Big Fish is well suited to 'Power Tracks', especially Road America. It's numbers suggest that it would be a good choice for the 'Sprint' tracks like Sebring Club,really just a series of 1/8 mile drag races, but for some reason I haven't had much success there. It MIGHT be that keeping the rear end, and 1097hp from passing your front end as you go through a slow corner can be... difficult.

The easiest to drive and easiest to set up 'Outlaw' is based on an LS7 T/A, but the Barracuda was ultimately faster with development. The Stingray, Charger, Chevelle and some of the rarer 'Power' cars like the Ferrari 250 GTO have proven capable of faster lap times (thus far, and last time I checked! lol), but, I find that the Fish can hold its own or better, 8 or 9/10.

I built it because I was getting tired of B-Class and was also getting tired of other Americans that I ran into online telling me that the USA can't build anything with wheels that isn't a trash can. My fondest memory thus far in the Outlaw Fish was watching a full room of AWD turbo A-Class from germany and Japan leave me in their dust off the line at Sebring, while they commented on how American cars were useless.

I thanked them for putting up with my american car, and then, I warned them.
"I'll be on your left in the back straight"

I remember the guy in the porsche stopped laughing about the start and said, "Holy crap you're comin up quick!' as the noise from the HEMI drowned out everything else. Then, since an american car won, the consensus was that muscle cars are 'broken'. I didn't feel like explaining the insane things a skilled driver can do with an old 2000GT so I logged. Is this a *gasp "missile car"? I may have been the first to use the term and I guess the answer is 'maybe?'. I do know that a RWD converted CRX, and a few other non-muscle cars can leave it behind in a straight if you're not careful, which to me is just as big a problem or worse. I think a classic "missile car" is stock tires + 200 mph, which just would not work in RL. 

All that hot air aside, the real reason I keep 'swimming with 'The Fish'' is because she's one hell of a good time. Nothing's finer than listening to the guys in the AWD turbos curse when American 'trash' roars by at something north of 200mph ;D
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 05:07:32 PM »
oh yeah, the OTHER reason!

It was the first car I bought that wasn't my trusty 'Battle-Wagon' PT Cruiser.

I friggin hated that PT, been fishin ever since! 8)
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 04:51:13 AM »
I'll have to try my Charger (Spawn of Hellfire) out against this one if I get a chance, Its a beast of a car but I just love the challange of driving it... Bimmer, JG4tr and Spiny saw it in action the other night on Sunset Reverse...

Like you i've had some great fun blasting past people in this car after just casually following them round the track waiting for the main straight... LOL

I had one the other week where a guy was out in front in a porsche with a guy on my friends list behind him and me in third... The guy on my friends list knew what was going to happen once we hit the straight but the guy in first didn't belive him "he ain't catching me" I think it was... Then I flew past him at 212mph and then left him trailing into the distance on the next lap as he tried everything to keep up... lol

Oh yeah and for the guys from the other night... I did try it round King Cobra... 4:01.xxx LOL
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2008, 11:37:12 AM »
The Charger shouldn't have been such an infamous car in FM2. Sure, as soon as they included it, it was a given that it would get a Rebel Flag on the roof and an 01 on the side. It could also be safely assumed that most people would try to jump it at least once while screaming 'Yee-haaaa!' But I didn't expect it to become the poster child for numerous and significant criticisms regarding game mechanics. (I hope that this has died down somewhat in the time I've been on sabbatical, but doubt it! ::))

I have a grand total of ONE Charger. It's in D-Class, stock horsepower, and I hardly ever drive it since I put it together in the first couple of days of game-time. It's actually a great car, but both the undeserved AND the deserved reputation the car has can get in the way of my enjoyment of the game. It got so bad for a while that if I saw a Charger or Chevelle, I'd force assists off, because if I didn't, he was going to take out half the field in turn one.

Because of the charger, I set out to prove that a select few other cars could be abused just as severely, and I think it's been proven. However, I still avoid the Charger and, unless I already know the driver really well, tend to avoid them online. I'm not saying that the Charger deserves this kind of reaction, I'm just saying that, to me, it kept 'earning it'. lol
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2008, 11:44:34 AM »
BBQ, if we do have an A Class Outlaw race sometime, we'll have to follow it up with some good old fashioned B-Class RWD. I've got an old 73 911 RS with stock hp and a 'mean streak a mile wide!' If it's too much, I can always get the 'Bumblebee', or 'Gutless Wonder' 914/6. It mostly follows people around and waits for them to mess up. ;D
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Re: '68 Barracuda Hemi Super Stock
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2008, 12:07:37 PM »
LOL... Yeah I can understand that point of view totally Hop.. There are plenty of people out there that want to go 200mph+ in them, shout Yee-Haaa and leave ol' Bosco in their dust.. lol

Until they plow into the first corner and realise that these cars don't handle or brake like an integra... At Sunset where this beast usually comes out I have to lift off through the banking and brake just as I cross the finish line to make turn 1 as its going 210mph+ easily...

I'd like to think i'm one of the better drivers of these cars, (See King Cobra time a couple of posts previous.. how much were you going to pay to see me try and do that Jay? lol)
Its normally me that gets taken out by someone else running into the back of me as i've slowed down early enough so as not to take out half the field into the first corner... I guess Bimmer, Jay and Spiny could give their take on how good / bad / terrible I drove it the other night... I was just happy to stay out of the walls for 5 laps... LOL
I've not driven the Sunset Reverse track that much...

BBQ, if we do have an A Class Outlaw race sometime, we'll have to follow it up with some good old fashioned B-Class RWD. I've got an old 73 911 RS with stock hp and a 'mean streak a mile wide!' If it's too much, I can always get the 'Bumblebee', or 'Gutless Wonder' 914/6. It mostly follows people around and waits for them to mess up. ;D

I like to race anything really, stock D-classers to R1... I see you mentioned farm machinery in another post... now where did i put that ride on lawnmower.... LOL
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