June Challenge - Anniversary Special...CLOSED

[Blooze]

We were sitting around the shop the other day, mostly yawning and trying not to watch ole Eph pick the paint boogers out of his nose.  All of the anniversary shinanigans going on over to the Daught GNet got us to kickin' around about how much has gone down in a year around here.  How much has changed.

I, for one, don't tune a car now any where near like I used to.  All the business about getting the Weight Bias dialed in, and then the SWR and the Tonka Numbers - the Princess and the Pea project brought a number of things to light and has had its affect on my tuning regimine as well.

It also occurred to me that my B Class Muscle Inc. cars (those that haven't been shuttled off to other classes) were seriously out of date as far as tuning regimines are concerned.

So, the challenge for this month - after a year with the game - is to resurrect the B Class cars and bring them up to speed with where you are now.   The tracks are the B Class Professional Series races.  The five race total will be one number for tracking as well as the individual race times.  You will note that the five tracks used in the B Class series include the QR tracks - we should be able to get a QR on a car as well.

And to fore-stall the enivitable question - this is a tuning challenge; one car, one tune per pass through the series.

There is a lot of work involved with this one so lets work it in a somewhat relaxed manner with the conclusion date open for the time being.

The Leaderboard will contain only the QR and Race Totals.  A Template will be provided for doing a full report in the individual posts.

Driver	Car	QR	Races
Drift2XL	Vette ZR-1	192.676	2492.162
Drift2XL	Shelby GT-500	193.028	2501.107
Serial	Z28 Camaro	193.233	2505.486
Drift2XL	Boss 429	194.443	2509.187
Skidev	Stingray	196.454	2517.795
Spiny Anteater	Camaro SS	195.547	2518.845
Blooze	Charger	195.938	2521.456
Drift2XL	Barracuda	194.504	2522.328
BarbequePete	Vette ZR-1	195.906	2529.028
Spiny Anteater	Barracuda	195.237	2529.987
Fit4aKing	Vette ZR-1	195.575	2532.345
Placard Rat	Vette ZR-1	195.790	2532.811
Blooze	Stingray	195.432	2533.667
Blooze	Shelby GT-500	195.471	2537.071
Blooze	Vette ZR-1	193.987	2537.477
Blooze	Boss 429	195.284	2537.542
BimmerLovere	Z28 Camaro	196.251	2537.596
Blooze	Z28 Camaro	195.259	2537.642
Blooze	GTO	195.101	2538.394
Blooze	Trans Am SD	196.156	2541.783
Blooze	Camaro SS	196.145	2543.827
BarbequePete	Trans Am SD	196.880	2546.752
BarbequePete	Boss 429	196.919	2546.846
BarbequePete	Shelby GT-500	197.484	2549.367
Blooze	Challenger	196.136	2549.563
Blooze	Barracuda	195.781	2551.237
Fit4aKing	Z28 Camaro	197.616	2553.999
BarbequePete	GTO	197.696	2559.033
Feuerdog	GTO	197.886	2560.010
BarbequePete	Stingray	197.555	2564.401
BarbequePete	Barracuda	197.899	2571.172
MiniMonsterZ	Camaro SS	199.166	2577.834
Org63	Shelby GT-500	199.537	2583.856
TravBot	Stingray	199.229	2585.250
MiniMonsterZ	Vette ZR-1	199.698	2586.132
MiniMonsterZ	Stingray	200.007	2586.487
Org63	Camaro SS	199.848	2586.779
MiniMonsterZ	Trans Am SD	199.757	2593.749
Org63	Z28 Camaro	199.483	2597.250
TravBot	Shelby GT-500	199.832	2600.447
Org63	Vette ZR-1	200.554	2602.445
MiniMonsterZ	Shelby GT-500	200.990	2606.238
Org63	Stingray	200.766	2606.633
MiniMonsterZ	Barracuda	202.084	2611.308
MiniMonsterZ	GTO	200.856	2612.961
MiniMonsterZ	Challenger	201.116	2621.523

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[Spiny Anteater]

Well, in the spirit of the challenge, I reckon it's right for me to go back to the beginning and dig out that Camaro SS. I wonder how well it will stack up after all this time (and how much, if any, improvement I can make )

[Drift2XL]

I was just going to PM you about this. Only I was thinking the first run at Maple Valley. 

Five whole races. What am I going to do with myself?

(Grinning at lightweight Shelby and Boss)

[Drift2XL]

For the new members interested in joining the challenge.

B Class Muscle Inc.

Pre '76 American cars
B700 max
Sport (DOT) tires manditory

The eligible cars are posted in the post at the top of this forum.

The older members have been running these for the last year. If you have any questions ...ask. If we can't help you get it turned around, I don't know who can.

[MinimonsterZ]

Ok, just so I have this correct.

I have a class B-700, 1970 Challenger setup.

Then all I have to do is run the stated tracks, by any means - free run, in race or whatever, and I record the best lap time in total seconds and report it here.

Also, I'm expected to run every track with the exact same tune on each without modification between tracks? Then afterward, if I want to change some stuff I can but then run all the tracks again with the new tune and so on...?

And finally I can run as many different cars as I want and report all the different times, if I so choose? Or I pick one car and go with it?

Mini

[Snyder005]

Nice, looks like i get to break out the Z28 finally, lol.

[TravBot]

Ok, just so I have this correct.

I have a class B-700, 1970 Challenger setup.

Then all I have to do is run the stated tracks, by any means - free run, in race or whatever, and I record the best lap time in total seconds and report it here.

Also, I'm expected to run every track with the exact same tune on each without modification between tracks? Then afterward, if I want to change some stuff I can but then run all the tracks again with the new tune and so on...?

And finally I can run as many different cars as I want and report all the different times, if I so choose? Or I pick one car and go with it?

Mini

Mostly.  The B700, 1970 Challenger must have Sport (DOT) tires.  It may not have Race tires (slicks) or Street tires (Y-Rated) and especially not Stock (Strips of crappy rubber).

I also believe that, in this particular case, the challenge is to run the Professional B-class series, and record the total race times, best lap time, and total series time (total for all 5 races), all using the same car and tune.

Also, post up what you do with your car to put it where it is.  How'd you pick what parts to throw in? How'd you go about making it perform the way you wanted?  These bits aren't necessary, but everybody likes them, and you can learn from other people's tuning techniques.

This'll be my first real tuning challenge.  I entered the rallycross one, but did not put much time into it, especially not tuning.  Catching this one at the beginning will let me really go step by step and try to make a fast car.  I'm planning on running the Corvette ZR-1, because it is a beautiful car.  Tuning is going to start tomorrow.

By the way, is there a set end for this yet, or are we playing it by ear?  Just curious.  Summer classes start for me tomorrow, which is 4 days a week, 4 hours a day, plus homework, so I'll need to know how to ration my Forza time towards this.  Thanks!

[Blooze]

Sorry to have seemingly posted and run - we had a bout of fairly serious weather here yesterday and things got shut down around here.  I hope my xBox is okay - the first electrical blip bounced the thing and it showed three quadrants of red...

All of the answers seem to be adequaitly answered.  Good job guys!

Well, we got all 11 of the cars trailored up and we're headed out to the track for the duration.  The Buck kid is all a flitter-pated.  He ain't had much to do while we been running the R cars...

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Edit: I had a thought as I was starting up this morning - that being to rename my B MInc garage and start an new one.  Then after we have this going for a while compare my old tunes to my new ones.  That means I will be building cars from scratch for this...  fun fun fun!!

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[Fit4aking]

Fascination has seen a recent rehash so I'll start with her, my C3 'vette has been under scrutiny this past week with some friends so I think I'll start there and work my way into some new cars.  I still don't have a Boss or a Shelby in DOT trim, only GM cars.

Looks like I'll be building mostly from scratch here too Blooze.

[Blooze]

I never managed to get the B Class Vettes built out either, so I will be heading there after I get myself grounded with the Z28 (this extended period of racing R cars will no doubt have me plowing into walls and such for a little while...)

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[BarbecuePete]

Looking forward to this one, I have a Pontiac GTO that was gifted to me as a B spec car in my first week online, I've not really driven it that much though and I think it will need some work first to fit in with the regs, have a feeling its a 'missile' build on stock tires..    (Please don't hurt me)

Also gonna have a go at building up a Cuda, just unlocked them in my game so will be a good chance to see what they are like too...

[feuerdog]

Since i've shut down the calculator site, i've been tuning purely by feel.  I've used my own cals for so long that I just kinda know about what the number should look like.  It's a kind of return to the basic test and test process.  I don't think it's an improvement over my prior calcs, but it's not too far off.  The rally challange was done without and calculators.

Everyone's tuning is getting an overhaul it seems.

[TheJohnNewton]

You shut down the calc site and have abandoned the calculator?  I guess I've been away for a while.

[Spiny Anteater]

Good to see you back TJN - it's been a while.

It looks like Blooze and Fit have been thinking along the same lines as me. I've pretty much decided that my first move is to run the Camaro in the build/tune noted down in my shop, then I'll have another go and see if it's the driver or car which has improved over the 9 months or so of this site I have a feeling that the initial build will seem really understeery now, so it'll be interesting to see if that really does translate into slower times.

EDIT: Actually, scrap that - I'm going to run the earliest documented tune I have on this beast, which goes all the way back to the second ever Muscle Inc. challenge over on .net (I had to hunt a bit for this, and can't believe how time-oriented the first challenge was). Two things really stood out about this tune. Firstly, it's very soft (I think the sump must have doubled as a skid plate and secondly I can't get over how high the diff settings were. And that's before I looked at the bump settings being so close to the rebound settings. But, here she is, now hopefully to be much improved upon:

Upgrades:
Engine: Race Intake
Handling: Race Everything except Weight Reduction (Sport)
Wheels: BF Goodrich DOT, widest tyre, Centerline rim, stock size
Forza Rear Wing

Settings:
Tyres: 29 Front, 28 Rear
Gears: FD = 3.30, 1st = 2.82, 2nd = 1.98, 3rd = 1.51, 4th = 1.18, 5th = 0.96, 6th = 0.82
Cambre: 0.8 Front, 0.7 Rear
Toe: 0.1 Front, -0.1 Rear
Caster: 5.8
ARB: 9.99 Front, 5.98 Rear
Springs: 295.3 Front, 241.7 Rear, Ride Height 6.0 Front & Rear
Damping (Rebound): F = 5.9, R = 4.8 (Bump): F = 5.5, R = 4.6
Aero: 100 lbs rear
Braking: 50% bias, 100 % pressure
Diff: 70% Accel & Decel

There's no wonder I was sitting at about 3/4 of the way down the board on the first challenge looking at this. I really wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but I'm still going to give it a go as a comparison

[Drift2XL]

I know exactly what your talking about Spiny. I used the Boss with the tune from the first challenge a few months ago. It was unstable. Fast but unstable.

Funny thing was that when I updated the tune I was only 2 or 3 tenths faster.

I had my splurge at the end of the C Class challenge. I bought all M Inc. cars D through B and uprgraded them to class specs. That's right I have 3 of all of them. Even the Charger and Chevelle.

I might get down with them tonight. Depends on how much stamina I can muster. The whole series, with fast times. Blooze, you really did issue a challenge this time didn't you.