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FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« on: September 17, 2007, 10:54:48 AM »


This topic is for the discussion and development of the Lancia STRATOS as a competitive B-Class car. Post builds here.

My thoughts on building the STRATOS:

The car isn't as bad as people make it out to be. It starts off with a helluva lot of turn-in response, which makes it easy to lose the rear end. This can be tuned out with your standard muscle car style adjustments to alignment. The strangest thing about the car is that you can only put a front wing on it. No rear wing, no forza bumper/diffuser. I tried it both ways and settled on running the car without a wing. To my mind, extra grip on the front just makes a bad situation worse.

The nicest thing about the car is that it gets going to 100mph as fast as just about anything in B-Class. This suits any track where you find yourself faced with a 90-180° turn before a significant straight section, like Tsukuba or Suzuka West.

For an initial build of the STRATOS, I suggest building for grip. I had decent results by building it to the same weight as my Dino, copying the settings over, then lowering the weight of the STRATOS. I believe I was running my typical Yokohama Slicks.

I'll try and post my current build tonight.
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 06:13:45 AM »
I've had my stratos sitting in my garage for ever, next to my 914, and apart from starting an alitalia rally style paintjob (OK, OK, so I just painted it white!) I haven't gotten to grips with it. but it should have plenty of scope for a B700 runner, it's light, the motor is in the right place, and what a motor! It's the Dino V6, and required very little tweaking to bring out the best in it.

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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 08:01:34 AM »
I just realized that I still haven't posted this build. I think it's got a lot of potential @ tsukuba, so maybe I'll get it up tonight for y'all to look over. ;D
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 03:53:49 PM »
Hey Hop... seeing as you're back.... can you post this build?

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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 04:35:15 PM »
Build out your 914 in C.  Trust me.  Look at the Tiny Terror Classic Shootout for confirmation.
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 04:59:16 PM »
Lancia STRATOS
FCT B-Class PI 700 v211
211hp/177lb-ft
1766 lbs


Upgrades
Race Yokohama 225/60R15
American Racing Torque Thrust wheels
Race Platform and Handling
Race Weight Reduction
Sport Intake



Settings
Tires   28/29
F.D. 4.60

Camber -1.2/-1.0
Toe      0/0
Caster   5.5
ARBs   12.52/7.72
Springs   194.5/216.3
Ride      DEFAULT
Rebound   6.0/5.8
Bump      3.2/3.4
Aero      NA
Braking      50% Front Bias / 100% pressure
Differential   51%/51%
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2008, 04:09:18 AM »
The JPS livery Stratos i've posted over in the showcase is tuned to B700, mine uses sports (dot) tyres and has a bit more power but is slightly heavier than your build, its currently around the 1500 mark on the reverse snakes, I keep meaning to run the forward ones...

I noticed you don't have any toe on your tune, I found that -0.2 on the rear helps to keep the back end a lot more stable... Spiny also has the same rear toe setting on his D-class build Stratos, I'll be posting the tune up for mine shortly alongisde my pics in the showcase so I'll put a link up in here as well so its easy to find..

I must say I think this is a great little car so light and so quick, its just a blast to drive...
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2008, 07:45:37 AM »
I noticed that some of the settings seemed a tad unusual when I posted it, but I honestly haven't touched it since at least December '07 and can't remember what was up with it. What I do remember is that I tried more power + more weight + less tire, and didn't do as well. I instead settled on the Lancia as a short track killer with low weight and glue for tires. Like the Shelby Cobra, it doesn't have much top end, but it gets to 100mph in one heck of a hurry, even with 'only' 211hp. My A-Class version is also interesting, but then again, that's where the Cobra lives... ::)
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 12:37:00 PM »
What with mine sitting in D Class there wasn't a lot I could do with power, weight or tyres - in fact once the platform upgrades were done all i could do was select a lighter set of rims.

What did strike me about it were very simmilar things to yours and Pete's B Classers, namely that it will rotate on a sixpence and has masses of acceleration. Those two make a very good combination for the twisty tracks, although ultimately the lack of grip from stock tyres meant it lagged behind the 2000GT. But, there was enough there to see it's potential higher up. Unfortunately I also saw the lack of top end speed that Hop mentioned - about the same as a less powerful fully spoilered Civic ??? But, I like it because it's so different to anything else in the game, both in looks and in handling.
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2008, 03:07:54 PM »
My 'Eureka!' moment with the STRATOS happened when I was wrestling with settings, trying to make it handle more like my 2000GT. I entered a high speed sweeper and lost it in the dirt after the rear end went 'fishing' on me.

Now, at this point I have to say that what happened next came out of frustration.

I usually follow the same rules for off-road excursions as I do for air-borne excursions, specifically, don't try to slow down, speed up or even turn much, kinda like what you'd do for driving on ice. However, this time, I just kept it floored because I was getting mad at the car, and 'lo and behold', the sucker just LOVED IT. I kept the hammer down and started laughing like a mad 'Dirt King'. Most cars get upset with you if you 'take them to Baja', but the STRATOS just flew over the stuff like it was made for it... because it was! The light finally dawned on 'ol marble-head, and I started driving it like A RALLY CAR, intentionally tossing the car into the corner and correcting slip angle with throttle inputs. I haven't had any trouble with it since the 'eureka', but the 'Dirt King' will sure eat some tires! :D
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 10:58:06 AM »
Build and Toon for my B-class Stratos over in the paint shop...

http://www.muscle-inc.net/index.php/topic,789.msg14913.html#msg14913

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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2008, 07:51:49 PM »
Your build matches up better with my Dino, but I wonder how the times would compare? I guess I'm wondering: exactly how smokey is that BBQ flavor?  :o

Not being one to beg for a fight, unless it's with DD, I'll instead simply 'throw down'.
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So, Smokey, what's your best time at Mugello Long or Short, in your BBQ STRATOS???
(This ain't a challenge, this here is BRAGGIN RIGHTS. [word -straight to your dome.])
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2008, 05:41:54 AM »
Hahaha... I like the Smokey BBQ thing hop... I was drifting a stock Cobra round maple valley short for fun over the weekend, that was some extra smokey hickory BBQ flavour right there... lol

I've not tried the Stratos at Mugello yet, I'll give it a run out tonight and see what it can do...
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2008, 01:57:43 PM »
Ok so I've just been for a quick few laps in the Stratos, the only thing that has changed is im now running 16 inch blitz technospeeds which are 1lb heavier but take the tyres from a 60 to a 50 profile which feel slightly grippier... (and look better.. lol)

So initial times after 3 laps, no assists...
(I've only just started running no assists but it feels better, the ABS was starting to get on my nerves.. lol)

Mugello Short - 60.487
Mugello Long - 121.345

These are new PB's for me as well not my greatest lap times on LB but I haven't really got a good B-classer for this track... I think theres maybe up to half a second at the short track and a second on the long track with this car if I can tighten my wheel nut..   ::)

Im pretty impressed really with how it went though as it was built for the snakes and getting round tight turns and quickly down the following straight.. very quickly as it turned out, I was hitting 140mph at the end of the straight on the long track and 135mph on the short track.. so what you got then Hop?  8) lol

On a side note I think this track is going to result in a new B-class project..  :D
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Re: FCT B Class Lancia STRATOS
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 03:04:09 AM »
Pete, nicely done.

Mugello is one of my favorite tracks in the game. It has a long straight, but all the sweepers on the hill tend to negate a typical missile build's top end advantage. There are also challenging elevation and camber changes throughout the track's turns, demanding a smooth driving style to produce fast lap times and allowing for some hair-raising mid corner passing maneuvers. In these respects, it's very similar to Maple Valley, and a car tuned here will often perform just as well there.

The reason that it's especially useful for STRATOS tuning is that the Lancia is, by default, more of a 'point and shoot' car that can easily lose too much speed in longer, sweeping corners as the tail comes around. If this behavior is improved upon with adjustments of the settings and/or the driver, this little rally car can become a much more complete racing instrument.

For comparison, I ran a 911 for the first time since the hiatus on Mugello Long in a 3 lapper Sunday night. My B-Class 73 RS ran a 1:58.1xx on the second lap with 0.1xx second penalty time and time left in at least two corners. The third lap was a bust and then it was quittin time. My current PB is an old time in the bazdc2 version FCT Dino, a 1:57.xxx, but it has more time left in it as well.

EDIT: I ran my STRATOS for 3 laps Monday night, no changes, no adjustments, and turned a 1:59.016 on lap 3, no penalty time. However, I blew it at least two or three times. There's a bump in the road going uphill towards Turn 9(?) that's throwing my rear end out as I go over the top of the rise and killing my exit speed. I'm also losing time in the left handed sweeper two turns before by coming down off the hill towards it from a bad angle. I'm also pretty sure that I'm not getting on it early enough in the last sweeper before the straight. I'd say it was a messy run, but it broke two minutes, so you just might need some more sauce on that BBQ, Pete!  ;D
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