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Re: Another Random D-Classer - The Trans Am
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2008, 12:26:40 PM »
Kev,

First up I'm glad you like the car. It's always nice to hear that there is someone else out there enjoying one of my builds :) It's good to see you running it without TCS too. I never run with it either, which might be why you got on with this tune so well - you don't need the TCS to stop it spearing off into the nearest Armco. I ought to also point out that the baseline tune is achieved through Feuerdog's v.5 calculator - all I've done is tweak it a bit to suit my driving.

As for the gear ratios, I'll giude you through my procedure (which is a lot less technical than Blooze's transmission spreadsheet). It should also explain how I came to have the FD set to such a low figure. With this car I usually shift up a gear about 500rpm below the red line as the engine tends to die as you get close.

First job is to set the final drive. This one is set by feel - I adjust it until first gear gives me the best possible launch. I usually aim for a launch where I get minimal wheelspin (or at least where I get controllable wheelspin) without the engine bogging down. With the high levels of power and low levels of grip on the Trans Am I ended up with a very long first gear. As that was achieved through adjusting the Final Drive, I had a very low figure for this.

Second step involves noting the rpm at which the engine develops maximum power. For simplicity, I'm going to say that the engine in this example has the maximum bhp at 6000rpm.

Next step is to run the lap you want to set the gears for with the final drive now set. You should now aim to see how many rpm you're pulling at the fastest point on the track. (With a car like this, there is enough torque that you probably won't have to use all the gears - if you have a car which bogs down between gears you should aim to use all 6 (or at least more than you're using in this test)). For this example, we're going to assume that you reach 5000rpm - there's no need to be any more accurate than to the nearest 100 rpm - in 5th gear (which has a gear ratio of 1.00) at the end of the longest straight. As the car doesn't seem to be bogging down between gears, we're going to build us a 5-speed car.

This is the stage where some simple maths comes in. We now adjust 5th gear to match the figure given by this equation:

New ratio = Existing ratio x (rpm of peak power output/rpm at end of longest straight).

Using the figures in this example, our new 5th gear ratio is:

1.00 x (6000/5000) = 1.20

I usually then just adjust the intervening gear ratios by eye to give a nice smooth curve which, although it doesn't optimise the raios, does give you a good set of gears.

The final step is minor tweaking. If you've made a big change to your top gear (as here), you may find that the car is hitting a higher speed (and hence higher rpm) at the end of the straight, and so you may want to repeat this process.  You may also find that some of those intervening gear rations fall awkwardly in the middle of a corner, and so you'll want to adjust those to avoid that if you can. Just don't make things worse in another corner ;)

Finally, as you like it most on Silverstone National, I'll put up my ratios for that track later tonight when I'm next on. I can't remember exactly, but I expect they won't be hugely different to the ratios for Sunset.

EDIT: The Silverstone ratios are:
FD: 2.35
1: 2.89
2: 2.17
3: 1.73
4: 1.42
5: 1.21
6: 1.09

If my memory serve me correctly, this one is a 4-speed setup
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 04:10:12 PM by Spiny Anteater »
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Re: Another Random D-Classer - The Trans Am
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2008, 11:16:24 AM »
Thanks Spiny for the Sil Nat set and interesting process.  I have always used the well advertised set the FD to your TS, set your launch gear, set your final gear and spread the rest.

Will def give it a try.  I have an S Class Merc CLK 55AMG which I am working on (also using FDogs calc), it is a bit of a beast and will put the gear theory to the test as I have been struggling to get it right.  May put up a post to get feedback.


not the best pic.

cheers
Kev

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Re: Another Random D-Classer - The Trans Am
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2008, 01:40:53 PM »
Good luck with the Merc - I can't say I've built one out yet so I can't really give you any pointers. The one thing I can say though is that, surprising as it will sound, dropping weight from the real heavyweights doesn't do as much good as you would expect. I can only assume that the PI hit is a bit big compared to other upgrades.

As for the tried and tested gear tuning that you mentioned, that actually sounds very similar to my method. I think mine is just a refinement of that really; that and I'm starting from the bottom up rather than the top down ;) And with the pic, I think you've done well to get a good pic at all at New York - there just seems to be too much of a contrast between light and shadow to really show off the cars to their best there.
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Re: Another Random D-Classer - The Trans Am
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2008, 04:37:16 PM »

I'm not sure what tracks exactly you or anyone considers Flowing tracks. (list anyone ?) But I noticed you didn't run the sebring club and suzuka west exhibition races with the transam. Is this because you think this are flowing tracks on which your civic might be faster ? If that's the case I'm happy to inform you, you might be wrong  ;) I drove top 100 times on those races easily the first time around. (speedway-power build with my softer settings)


You're right, at least about Sebring Club - this car is good around there, although I used the flowing/twisty build rather than the power one. But, it was still enough to push me up 70+ places on the Exhibition scoreboard.

Meanwhile, would you and sk15kev mind if I quote you on this car - I'm thinking of posting it over in Fit's race database on .net - see if we can get more people into the muscle cars. 8)
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Re: Another Random D-Classer - The Trans Am
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2008, 04:26:50 AM »
Meanwhile, would you and sk15kev mind if I quote you on this car - I'm thinking of posting it over in Fit's race database on .net - see if we can get more people into the muscle cars. 8)

No problems, spread the word! ;)

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Sounds like a great idea to me.  I always like seeing really good cars posted in the database.  I've tried most of the builds on the list already, some I really like and others made great Auction House ornaments.
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Re: Another Random D-Classer - The Trans Am
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2008, 10:30:16 AM »

I'm not sure what tracks exactly you or anyone considers Flowing tracks. (list anyone ?) But I noticed you didn't run the sebring club and suzuka west exhibition races with the transam. Is this because you think this are flowing tracks on which your civic might be faster ? If that's the case I'm happy to inform you, you might be wrong  ;) I drove top 100 times on those races easily the first time around. (speedway-power build with my softer settings)


You're right, at least about Sebring Club - this car is good around there, although I used the flowing/twisty build rather than the power one. But, it was still enough to push me up 70+ places on the Exhibition scoreboard.

Meanwhile, would you and sk15kev mind if I quote you on this car - I'm thinking of posting it over in Fit's race database on .net - see if we can get more people into the muscle cars. 8)

If I (ever) have said anything quote worthy, then go for it!  I too would welcome more muscle cars in the database, even if you do end up getting idiots posting waste of time comments.

-Kev

Or you could use "Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege."  now that's a quote.

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Sounds like a great idea to me.  I always like seeing really good cars posted in the database.  I've tried most of the builds on the list already, some I really like and others made great Auction House ornaments.

Hopefully I'll make a better job of it than I did with the R390. By the time I noticed it was still linking to the original post the link was up on the first page.  :-[

EDIT: It's been released onto the great unwashed - let's see what they make of it ;)
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