S Class for the Challenged Rear End

[Blooze]

Okay.  I admit it.  RWD cars in Forza give me fits.  I don't like the constant counter steer messing around you have to do to keep a loose vehicle on the road.  I keep practising though.  Why, as soon as I am done with the S Class hotlaps I am attacking the Factory Spec Series to re-set my times there.  And the, *gulp*    Legend Series - in a *gulp*    *gulp*  GT 40.  How's that for commitment?  Probably should be committed, period... 

At anyrate, until I am an expert sloppy handling car handler, I have a cure.  Unless you have done a purge such as the one Fit is doing right now, you have the car in your garage...

The 2000 Audi AWE Silverbullet S4 .

Yes sir!  It makes a dandy S classed car.  I will share my build and setup...

2000 Audi AWE Silverbullet S4

• Hp: 616
• Tq: 571
• Wt: 2528

Parts

• Engine: Race exhaust and block
• Handling: All Race including Weight Reduction
• Tires: Race Avon; 255mm; 18"; Work
• Body: Forza front and rear wings; Forza rear bumper

Gears

• FD = 3.30
• 1-6= 3.08   2.10   1.58   1.24   1.02   0.86

Setup

Parameter	Front	Rear
Weight Bias	56%		Tho it states 57%, actual Wb was 50%
Tires	28	29
Camber	-1.1	-0.8
Toe	0.1	-0.2
Caster	5.1
ARB	10.02 +6%	12.92 +8%
Springs +3%	518.4	407.4
Height	3.0	3.1
Rebound	9.3	7.2
Bump	4.7	3.9
Aero	85	100
Brakes	50	104
Front Diff	58	40
Rear Diff	42	43
Torque	60/40

I haven't finished running it out on all the ranking tracks yet, but it is showing up quite strong.  It has already displaced my Ferrari 330 P4 on a number of tracks, that car being somewhat limited by the lack of slicks for S Class.

Giver 'er a try - lemme know whacha think...

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[Spiny Anteater]

Slightly off topic, but I've only tried the Legends series in the GT40 (2 firsts, one 7th and the rest last). It was a nightmare. Please tell me the Ferrari is better

[Blooze]

Slightly off topic, but I've only tried the Legends series in the GT40 (2 firsts, one 7th and the rest last). It was a nightmare. Please tell me the Ferrari is better

LOL - You just scared me...  I don't know.  It looked to me like it was a coin flip.  The last time I messed with it, I ran one race and won it eventually (after three or four hundred restarts  ).  Once that was finished I went and found out how that hire a driver thing worked.

I have one of each and prefer the Ferrari.  I may stick with it after reading this tho...

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[Blooze]

One of the results of this car is that I've started accumulating S Class AWD cars, to go with my collection of A classed ones I guess.  Hopefully I will be able to get them all built out and tested one of these days.

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[Hoplee]

There's only one thing wrong with that Audi....

It's a German car that isn't a Porsche! 

[Fit4aking]

Ewww, AWD....I may actually follow this one Blooze.  I was contemplating building one a them there FUTCC S4's from the Cars section.  As much as I dislike the AWD's I haven't really given them a fair shake.  My only 550 PI C-class car as of right now is a TT that I got off of the AH.  Not a good sign as that is the next class that I plan to go through for hotlapping.

As much as it will pain me to say it, I think I'm gonna step outside of my comfort zone and build it out before I put the cover back on it.  But it will need a complete tear down and rebuild.

[Hoplee]

I thought this topic was going to be about those rare RWD cars that have plenty of rear end grip like the 512TR. The combination of really wide tires in the back (compared to the front of the same car) and plenty of rear wing makes the car feel really planted.

Looking for those two things is a good indicator of how forgiving a RWD car's handling will be, but it doesn't always work. The Carrera GT has the right rubber ratio and a nice wing, but still refuses to behave!

Currently, I only have one S-Class AWD car that I really enjoy. The 911 GT2 with an AWD swap. I love how you can still make out the same basic bodyshell of the 1973 Carrera RS underneath all of the junk on the GT2. The rearward WB loosens up the rear just enough to make cornering a lot of fun.

PS: Fit, the Dino and the 914/6 just looove C-Class...

[Blooze]

I like the idea of the GT2, and my Stealth is looking promising.  This sure beats trying to keep one of those top secret toyotas on the road.

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[Spiny Anteater]

Ugh! Top Secret Supra - where's the Vomicon when you need it?

[larryCR]

Yesterday I started Chapter S of the hotlap challenge, aka "Chasing Blooze", and struggled for a while finding the car to use. I upgraded and tried to tune a new R8, but just couldn't get it to a decent power to weight ratio without bumping into U. I tried Spiny's R390 at Laguna Seca, but I couldn't get a good pace going. (I think that little beast demands more driving finesse than I have available.)

Then I remembered this thread and tried out the AWE Racing S4 with Blooze's upgrades and tune. I immediately felt at home in the car (perhaps because I owned a couple of non-virtual B5 S4s at one time). Between the car and Blooze's tune it was love at first drive. Seeking more, I opted for lesser grip tires (Pirelli) and more power via the racing intake. Perfect!

Chapter S pages are turning. Thanks, Blooze!

[Blooze]

I'm glad its working for you.

The Tire / Intake upgrade swap sounds good - I will probably do the same thing when I get back to it.  When I built the car originally I didn't know how much traction I was going to wind up with so I was going for it all...

[Fit4aking]

Started the Legends series last night and I HATE BOTH CARS.  I tried the Ferrari first and stunk it up.  Then I went and bought a GT40, marginally better for me but not great.  I ran off of the first turn in Mugello several times before I got the braking right.  Fortunately the AI can't perofrm super human feats in these cars like the others so they slow way down too.

I'm up to the Suzuka race and all the tight turns have me very worried.  I ran 1 lap before I needed a break.  I won't be trying this race tired.

[Spiny Anteater]

I'm up to the Suzuka race and all the tight turns have me very worried.  I ran 1 lap before I needed a break.  I won't be trying this race tired.

I was feeling exactly the same about Suzuka and another track (forget which one, but it was quite turny - might have been Seca). It's a while since I ran these and I used the Ford GT and only ran through it once. Sooner or later I'm going to win me that Ferrari and then before long I'll have no excuse for putting the Legends off.

Back to the quote though - I dreaded Suzuka. Then a miracle happened and I won by a country mile (same story at the other twisty track) but at the faster tracks where I thought I would do better I couldn't do better than 7th! Go figure.

My theory is that bad as I might have been through the twists and turns, the AI was even worse. Where they do score over me is coming out of corners onto straights, presumably because they use TCS so can put their power down cleaner.

Still, moral of this story, don't be afraid of the turns in Legends. They might not seem like it but they are your friends

[Fit4aking]

I tend to brake late and trail brake up to the apex and roll on the throttle.  Just like true RR Porsche's these MR cars don't like that.  I have to adjust to this just like I did to the Exige Cup.  To compound it the braking sux and you really can't do more than one thing at a time.  No braking and turning, no turning and accelerating, just point and shoot, coast to turn and point and shoot again.  The AI so far has been in single file groups.  All the GT40's lumped together in a line followed closely by all the P330's.  Like I said, I can out brake them and hold them up a bit but if I trail brake at all I'm in the dirt, often with help. 

It didn't help that I went straight from the R1 class Pro Series to these cars, quite different.

[Drift2XL]

Good gravy, I did not like the Legends races. I had the same problem, can't do any combo of gas, turn, or brake.

However I did get a 10 sec lead on Mugello, and looking in the rear veiw mirror was funny. Every lap except for the last one, the second place GT40 went sliding off on the first turn. Every time. Look up and see the AI sliding into the gravel is hilarious. The fact that the next one did it, and the next one, and so on.

Unfortunately I kept shooting myself in the foot and sliding off somewhere too.

And as far as some of the older exotics, I can vouch for the Countach. It handles extremely well. It just doesn't have much top end when the aero is out on.    But, it might be a perfect Mongoose for S Class.

I want to get on an 84 GTO and maybe the TR. Sharky had a great challenge before FM2 came out with the GTO that I surprised myself with. I ended up really getting Blue Mountain down real good.