Targa Forza

[Blooze]

Okay, All things considered, we are going to go with the P2P Stages method of doing this thing.

Now, there are some things that you can do to help me out - I will be working at updating 4 spreadsheets using a kind of hoaky data conversion tool I created to work with this.

To cut down on errors, posting in the order Nurburgring, Kaido, Postitano will be best.
I can take them in any order as long as they are marked, but I am used to seeing them in the order shown above and I am a creature of habit. fore-warned...

I can take the data the way Drift presented it above.  I can also take it the way that Chuck did it just above here.  Either way is fine and just as quick as the other.

If you use Drift's method, make sure the number entered is 7 characters long.  That means any time less than a 100 seconds will need to be zero filled, i.e., 098.123.  They don't have to be totaled, the spreadsheet takes care of that.  The Stage identifiers are not necessary either, but the ABCD order will be assumed.  Don't mix 'em up...

If you use Chuck's method, make sure you use the semi-colon as a delimiter.  The times do not have to be zero filled, nor do they need to be totaled.

The times DO need to be converted to seconds, please!!.  This is not new, we've done it in here from the beginning.

You need to provide the Class and Pi of the car and an unambiguous name.  If you skip the Pi, the max for the class will be assumed.

I think that covers it... remember, I can't read your minds.  Be sure to ask questions if you are unsure of anything.

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I have been running the Private P2P races against the same Pi<120 F class cars - they stay out of your hair and you don't get nailed with a drafting decert, and you can make $44,250 for the 12 races, and about half the XP points you need to level a car up.

[Fit4aking]

Sounds good to me Blooze.

Sat down to run through these last night in my '08 Subaru STi, my C425 Rally Hatch.  I've been away from that car for far too long!!!  I ended up stuffing it into a wall at full throttle in 4th gear out of frustration on Positano.  I even watched the little glass bits fly over the guard rail into the crystal clear water below.  I spent the next hour or so trying to get the car to turn in, then hold a turn, and finally not oversteer too much on exit.  What I ended up with was a decently biased car, around 50.5% for the springs, dampers and sways with a touch of oversteer added mid corner with a few clicks off the sway bars.  I settled the turn in with a front diff reduction and then the oversteer condition with a rear bias and diff adjustment.  The car was doing great......or so I thought.  I ran around Amalfi to test and was barely ahead of my ghost, a 300SL.  (I thought AWD was dominant??)  Went to Iberian on my test circuit rounds and again only barely nudged my 300SL ghost again.  Finally I was off to Laguna Seca where I got a solid thrashing by the invisible me.  Short of a complete tear down and rebuild I'm at a loss for this car.  I've seen several examples on the Tuners Marketplace get decent sales so there has to be a decent setup for the thing but I don't see it as a class killer (like the hype suggests) or even a viable option over my more interesting RWD's.  Needless to say I didn't get any of the stages complete, instead I ran a 10 lapper around Sebring Full in my newly aquired #33 Jaguar GT2.

Good thing this is a tuning challenge, cause my tunes are being rather challenging at the moment.

[Bob Boberton]

Fiat 131 Abarth F200 (Pippo) Eets-a-better than-a-my mama's cannolis!

Nurburgring:  147.917; 135.067; 172.067; 166.484
Kaido:         144.200; 194.200; 128.334; 127.234
Positano:     110.033; 91.467; 110.850; 125.684

Bobby

[Blooze]

That's perfect, just like that, Bobby.  

Fit, I've got about 300 miles, and a ton of Hot Lap time in the snakes and on Kaido and such in C, B, and A classes with one of those '08 WRX rigs and it never has "made it" for me.  There is always something that is faster and easier to mess with.  The car is heavy and it is hard to get away from the weight, for one thing.  Anyhow, good luck with the thing.

Now the Jag GT2 car, you're going to love that.  It ain't much for Top End, but she's hell on wheels for grip.  I intend to upgrade mine with the restrictor trashing and run it against the 007 Astin Martin in R2 as well.  The Astin is the only GT2 up there and I think the Jag will give it a race.

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[bimmerlovere39]

Blooze, if you could, can you wipe my current result out of the overall?  It's faster than I'll be able to go on the combined sprints - I'll get a new time set in in the next day or two. 

[Spiny Anteater]

Right, I did manage to get started on this before Easter, but have only got the 'Ring and Positano done. Kaido will have to wait until after Easter I'm afraid.

Unfortunately, the credit crunch has come to Spiny Towers, so instead of racing this we ended up seeing how fast the support vehicle could get through the stages

As a result, all times are for the Range Rover, B Class (500PI)

Nurburgring: 124.858; 118.551; 145.628; 145.612
Kaido:         Save yourself some labor and leave this blank
Positano:     100.250; 081.581; 101.534; 120.087

I think that gives me total times of 534.301s for the 'Ring and 403.452s for Positano. Must admit, I'm a bit surprised to see it breaking 9 minutes at the 'Ring. Kaido should be fun though

[Fit4aking]

Holy Crap Spiny!!  I have a B500 Range Rover, may run it on the ribbons to see how I stack up with my heavyweight parts truck.  Tomorrow though, tonight I take a Forza break after powering through my failing WRX last night.

[feuerdog]

B500-class
VW Golf GTI mk6
AWD conversion - (In an effort to replicate the European R20: http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/article_2660.shtml )

Nurburgring:  126.310; 118.652; 144.178; 142.109
Kaido:         130.564; 171.822; 120.437; 118.202
Positano:     100.484; 81.865; 102.202; 115.882

Notes:
The car is heavy at 3k+ lbs, even with full weight reduction, so I opted for an AWD swap on this build.
This is the first car to use the semi-finalized version on my Version 7 calcs, as is, no tweaking.
The build and tune is exactly the same for every run.
The trans is a "sport" trans, and driven as an automatic.
All times are verifiable on the boards.

This is one of my favorite cars,.....period. In real life and in the game. The Targa Newfie race is my idea of the ultimate driver-and-machine kinda race. This is an AWESOME idea for a time trial tuner like myself. I loved running these tracks.

The car did well, but i'm still learning the nuances of this particular tune. This new calculator is quite a departure from my previous efforts, and it still requires me to drive with an open-mind instead of my worn-in standards. These times were relatively easy to lay down, with only one restart on Nurburg, where the car really shined. Kaido wasn't too bad, but the elevation angles and the new tuning idiosyncrasies kept my on my toes.
Positano ended up being the most fun, but since it was also last I tended to attack it a bit harder. The result was several restarts, but some of my funner driving moments were had here for sure.

I'll be looking to run a B-class RWD next.  

Edit: If nothing else, the comparison of my times to the ones you guys have already layed down, definitely indicates to me that....
1. You guys are fast.
2. My build is more "missile" than "grip".
3. Nurburg favors a "missile" build.
4. My GTI needs more grip.

[Blooze]

Everything is looking good there Fellers.  I think we may have this thing ironed out.

Bimmer, I'll replace your Heidi record(s) when you get the posted.

FD, that's a good report!

Oh, I just found out that Car Names can't exceed 19 characters, or it causes the whole line to shift and get all ugly.  

A little more practise and it won't take me long to update the leaderboards at all.  You're all doing a good job with the Posting - I appreciate it.

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[chuckrateez]

   I got in a little more time with the Aston at the Ring and Kaido.  I knew there was more to be had at the Ring, but wasn't sure how I'd fare in Kaido.  No changes to my build or tune except tweaking the FD for each stage.

   Next up I think I'll try the Alfa GTA in E class.  I bought that early on and remember liking it, but it got left by the wayside.

   Aston Martin DB-5 D350 (update)

   Nurburgring: 135.602; 127.169; 155.489; 152.169
   Kaido:         139.890; 188.073; 127.543; 123.407

   Thanks for running this show, Blooze.  Who woulda thought I'd be looking forward to running Kaido and Positano over and over?   


      Chuck
 

[feuerdog]

Some more notes.....

Somebody has a VERY capable B500 Range Rover tune.

Somebody else has a VERY capable VW Scirocco tune.

Mmmm, cannolies.

[Blooze]

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It looks like your VDub is holding its own pretty good on the Ring ...

[BarbecuePete]

I got a run at the stages with the Alfa, I love this car more and more each time I drive it, it's easy to push a bit too hard and get some oversteer but its so easy to control on the throttle when it does and end up in some huge long drifts round a couple of corners, not so good for times but great fun... the stages really highlight this cars lack of pace at the Ring at 20 seconds slower than chuck's DB5. It more than makes up for it on the other stages though really pleased with my Positano stage times, this car should have some top 100's in it there.  

D350 ALFA ROMEO GIULIA

Nurburg - 139.306; 127.544; 164.431; 159.526
Kaido - 137.354; 183.901; 122.773; 119.803
Positano - 103.887; 86.837; 105.438; 121.421

[Fit4aking]

The Scirroco tune is a puzzling one F-dog.  Unless you've been pilaging my storefront again I'm sure you mean someone elses car.

I hadn't even thought of running the 'roc around this but its rally style tune wouold fit in quite well and the VR6 powerplant would help on the ring stages. Hmm. 

Seeing how the wife it out of town tonight with the kids I will have ample time tonight to knock this down and see how my Roc and Rover combo fairs against yours!!

[Blooze]

Heh, I guess I'll have to get my parts chaser and tow rig out and take a pass at the Targa with it.  It-won't-be-pretty, I can tell ya that.

But this reminds me of something I would like to try and this might be a good time to do it.  I would like to get as many of us together on line with our pick ups and Rovers and such and then run 'em up the old side of Kaido and park them diagonal style in front of that bar, maybe battle park a few.  Then we could have somebody drive past both ways so we could get some good pictures of the whole gang "blowin' the froth"  (that damned Bucks has got me starting to do it, too) off a few.  I think it would make for some cool pictures.

I am open for pretty much any time - all I got to do is figger out how to get on live again - its been awhile.

What do ya think?

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