My first project is going to build out a C class Wings West Civic in chunks and pieces. I want to see how much car I can get with just a minimum of parts. Which parts will I choose first? The thing starts out in D. How much car can I get in D before taking it to C. Before I'm done, I plan to be the Wings West Civic Guru. Ain't nobody gonna know more about that car than me...
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A lot of the "stigma" attached to this car is a hold over from Forza I, I think. Both the WW and Mugen Civics were classed as C cars and the Mugen out shined the WW a great deal. So the WW became a cast off. In Forza II the cars have been refactored and separated. I haven't had a chance to mess with Mugen Civic yet, but it is on my list
I'll be interested to see what you find with this car given all the bad press it seems to get over at the official site. I've not run it for ages but from memory it was one of the best handling cars in D Class, even though you can hardly put anything on it due to PI constraints. It was the car I used for the D Class enduro at Tsukuba and, as I lapped the field, it can't have been too bad. Bear in mind that this was in the first week with the game too so my driving must have improved since then. I can't help feeling that most of the naysayers just can't drive the thing properly to get the best out of the handling and make up for the lack of power.
As I said, I'll be interested to see if you end up with a similar feeling about it.
Well this smacks of build project if there ever was one. But, being that it is about as far from a muscle car as an Enzo is (just the other direction) I thought I'd keep it tooked away in my shop area here...
First thing I did was look the car over real good. I benchmarked the stock car, and checked the parts availability in all the divisions of Ye Olde Speed Shoppe - based on what was available, I assumed the car had the lower grade part already installed. The car comes with...
- 19" rims and Street Y rated tires
- Street Brakes
- Sport Suspension
- Sport ARB
- Street Trans
- Street Clutch
- Street Flywheel
- Street Weight Reduction
- A 55% Weight Bias (more on this later)
The car benchmarked .96 on the 120 G, which is quite high for a D car that hasn't been trifled with. The little car is somewhat heavy, weighing in at 2800 lbs and a bit puny with only 170 Hp and a slender .795 Tq/Hp ratio. All that coupled with only 16 PI points between you and C class makes one wonder at any decision to try to run it in D Class. But I gave her a run, stock (except for the clutch, I installed the race clutch to speed up the shifting - that drives me nuts in stock cars, the slow shifting). all nine test tracks.
I was sort of surprised. Well, in some cases, a lot surprised. It ran a top 1000 time on Boomslang. No kidding. Its still up - currently 600.
Most of the times ranked in the area of 12-15 hundred, or in the 99% range. Now, if that is all you ever did with a D car, that wouldn't be too bad. The car handled very, very well! There is something about the Wb in that 54-56 percent range - for me at any rate. The most glaring weakness was the power. The car didn't feel heavy, it was just weak.
So I went back to the shop and tried to decide how to spend my 16 PIs. The way I saw it, I needed power, or I needed the gears to take advantage of the power I had. I chose power, mostly because it was late and I wanted to run some times instead of dicking with the transmission. Retrospectively, I should have gone with the transmission. All I was able to get for power was the Street Ignition with 6 Hp and it dropped the Tq/Hp ratio...
That is what I'm going to do today. Build out a tranny for the thing and rerun the tracks with the car built out to 400.
Oh, btw... it ran one other top 1000 time - it is currently ranked 491 on RA short with a 64.085. There is a lot more to this car than one would believe, me thinks...
So, keep an eye on this space, I will be updating the progress as it progresses. Or maybe even... you got one sitting in your garage - its a prize car. Jump in it and go run a lap or two - join in on the fracus here...
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A couple things I forgot to mention... I didn't buy the spring setup because the Wb is set pretty good already. I think it will be a good idea to check the actual Bias from now on... they are being a little weird about it. The car handles well enough that I doubt I will buy the suspension when I move it up to C - why waste the money, PIs, or time in tuning.
Now I can't think what the other thing was... hate it when that happens
